Why do women only settlements fail ?

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Before the 4B movement (a radical feminist movement that aims to remove men from women's lives) there were several attempts to set up women only camps. Often, in feminist circles, women dream of this freedom. Men being removed, women not having to live in fear and life is basically unicorns and rainbows.

The obvious question, that nobody seems to ask is "If it's such a great idea why aren't these things common ?". Any feminist post touting the idea will have hundreds of women commenting how great it will be and how they want this to happen.

So let's look at what has happened to these attempts in the past. If it's so great why do they all fail ? Surely women freed from the patriachy bogeyman, with no men to oppress them are going to go on to do amazing things ? Surely ?

Well, they all fail. There's been a few attempts in the past for example "Camp Sister Spirt" founded in 1993, closed in 2010. It had a good run, 17 years before it inevitably closed. Then there was "A woman's place" in New York active from 1974 to 1982, 8 years. There was also "Something Special" from 1987 to 2011.

They fail for a few reasons but the unfortunate truth of the matter is that to keep a community active, and going, you need to replace the older members with youngsters. The best way of achieving this is to have offspring who grow up in the community. If you fail to do this then the movement invariably dies out. So any woman only group, which outlaws men, will invariably fail and die as it's not producing the offspring needed to keep it going.

The current 4B movement is absolutely going to fail. The R number (reproduction rate) is far to low for it to be able to grow and turn into a proper worldwide movement.

The unfortunate truth is, for anything human activity to be sustainable it needs new followers, those new followers usually come from men and women and so if you remove either, entirely, the movement simply can't continue for longer then a couple of generations.

That's not patriachy, that's biology.


Comments

  1. InvestedReader21 July 2025 at 11:50

    Just curious, why is a post about women’s-only camps, which are pretty neutral and isolated therefore only affecting those within them, tagged with “toxic feminism?” Lol

    And I would argue that just because a movement comes to an end doesn’t mean it’s failed, only that it ended and even perhaps was renewed/passed on in other ways such as through ideas for books, personal life philosophies passed down from mentors, memories which can be shared with future communities who are facing similar issues which the women who lived in those communities were easier able to address based on what they’ve learned from their experiences.

    The ethos and passion of sisterhood isn’t something that ends, it’s existed from possibly as far back as the beginning of time, though certainly even among demographics as far back as the medieval ages. Social ties and bonds, in my opinion, are one of women’s greatest strengths and what has allowed those camps to form as well as feminist thought to spread.

    Something Special, which was maintained for 31 years, is no small feat, especially when in creating these types of spaces, there can be so many factors working against the goals.

    And lastly, are these truly the only women’s-exclusive places which have ever existed in this type of capacity, or are they simply the only ones which you know of?

    At now 29, I am only just beginning to recently unearth a plethora of women’s history which was unavailable to me before through my academic education (including four years of private university - although religious, even many no religious universities today are lacking in this area, and one of the reasons for the few but mighty all-women universities - arguably another community which could be added to this list considering many college students live in dorms on-campus and professors often merely a few blocks down the road.

    And even lesser known than general, feminist all-women’s communities are lesbian communities, which are also completely men-free yet have survived for generations upon generations. I don’t have the links reachable at the moment, but if able, will try to return and post them here

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    1. Anonymous23 July 2025 at 14:18

      A lesbian camp can't reproduce. It will inevitably die out. That's why you don't have the links.

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    2. Anonymous23 July 2025 at 14:38

      Lol 😂 Reproduction is not the only means of legacy. Plenty of single, childless men own businesses for generations as well. Why don’t those “die out”?

      And I actually I *did* find information that there are the same types of current day communities existing of all women because as noted, women and lesbians have always existed and carried on their own passions, talents, and mutual aid/communities. They’re just extremely insular and I decided to protect their privacy rather than list them off here. They also don’t have a very wide online presence

      One more community consisting of all women are convents and nunneries, which have also been around for generations

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